Posts by Black Sheep

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What the heck is a Godhead?

by Rattigan350 in

i was listening to the radio, a religous show.. the speaker started talking about how the holy spirit is the third person of the godhead.. they just assume that everyone understands what a godhead is, and it is a manmade term.

that is what makes their point of view so ridiculous.. is it like a godfoot, godear, god elbow?.

they have their scriptures to link the holy spirit with the trinity, and jws have their scriptures to unlink it, and never they two shall meet.. .

Black Sheep

It's easy. For example, if you want to know what it means to a Catholic, look it up in their encyclopedia. Google something like 'catholic encyclopedia godhead', then try and understand their official position without rephrasing it to mean things that they are not saying, which is the trick the Watchtower uses to scam JWs into thinking the Catholics have no scriptural support for their Trinity.

I haven't yet met a Catholic bashing JW who actually understood what the Trinity is according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. They all bashed Modalism under their illusion that Modalism represented the Catholic's Trinity.

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1969 "fact": You will never grow old in this present system of things

by Ding in

awake!

"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years... therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

Black Sheep

You don't have to go back before the Awake!'s 1970 WTLib cutoff to find embarrasing statements

Search the CD for '1914 generation'

If your digital library goes back further, do the same search. There are several 1960's Awake!s in the early and late 60's that describe the 1914 generation in embarrasing language, e.g. a 1969 article saying that the generation that saw 1914 are nearly 70 years old. I'm sure those articles have been disussed here before today.

If you, or the JW you are talking to, do have access to older literature..... do the same search

Awake! Oct 8 1968, pg 13
Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of “this generation” nearly 70 years old today

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Do you still use Jehovah's name?

by naazira in

jw
friends

when you pray do you still use the name jehovah.

i still do.

Black Sheep

There are lots of gods to choose from and none of my ancestors claim to be descended from Hebrews, who didn't invent the name 'Jehovah' anyway.

I think if I really wanted a god, I would just make one up. One that took responsibility for all my bad behaviours and let me take the credit for my better qualities.

Welcome to the forum

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Do you have coconut oil recipes that does not involve knives?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i have been encouraging my mom to cook with coconut oil, it does help with her dementia symptoms sometimes.

it is just not safe for people with dementia to use knives for cooking, thats why i need some recipe ideas.

thank you!.

Black Sheep

Further to jwleaks, I have used coconut cream in coffee, just using it as a replacement for milk, and I rather like it.

Just don't fall out of the tree, or cut yourself on the grater. I have seen it in tins in our supermarket, but I do fresh.

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Do you have coconut oil recipes that does not involve knives?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i have been encouraging my mom to cook with coconut oil, it does help with her dementia symptoms sometimes.

it is just not safe for people with dementia to use knives for cooking, thats why i need some recipe ideas.

thank you!.

Black Sheep

Keep it in a warm place, it is liquid above 76F

Substitute it in baking. Bread made with coconut oil is nice.

She could just eat it by the spoonful. If it's distasteful, it's bad oil, so find a new supplier, or extract it yourself. (Don't cut your hands on the grater )

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Assuming the flood story was true , did humans eat meat before the flood ?

by smiddy in

or did the slaughtering of animals as sacrificed to god from abel`s time on , just appease his blood lust.. smiddy.

Black Sheep

I tried out an old time JW on the sheep thing.

Why were Adam's kids herding sheep if they didn't eat them?.

#1 Clothing!! Me.. You don't have to kill a sheep to make clothes and what did they do with all the stuff they didn't make clothes out of??

#2 They made cheese!! Me.. Where did they get their rennet from?? the corner dairy?? the supermarket??

I'm still waiting for the answers.

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It's a small world

by Blttex in

jw
friends

i've heard that said many times when talking to witnesses.

i've even used it a few times myself.

i always took it as a good thing.

Black Sheep

The nature I enjoy didn't require gods of any culture to invent, design, create, etc. and was here long before the gods of Middle Eastern tribes.

'Jehovah', was invented by a Catholic monk in the 1700s. That just makes him a creation of us humans, not us a creation of his.

The 'small world' That JW's find themselves in, where they find 'friends' in every continent, is the creation of humans with technology that humans created. Constantly remind them of that. My ancestors took months and years to circle the globe. Jumping on a plane to go back to the country of your birth on the other side of the planet is a blessing of mankind's efforts, not Jebooboo's rusty chariot.

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What I've been wanting to say about doubt and faith

by jgnat in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ordqfh0byw.

it's those who demand certainty who make a mockery of faith.. this talk will stick with you..

Black Sheep

She put a lot of words in somebody else's mouth.....

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what most people fail to realize about 1914

by Crazyguy in

in 1914 a great war broke out and the jw's have used that to add credibility to their idea that jesus took over power in that year and satan was cast out to earth.

what most people forget or do not realize is that jesus said there would be 'wars and reports of wars' but no big deal for the time was not yet.

then of course the great tribulation would break out and would be a game changer, but in the 1960's the gb stopped saying the great tribulation started in 1914 and said its now a future event.

Black Sheep

Over the next year there are going to be many opportunities spoon fed to us by the media that we can use to point out that anniversaries of events that led to WWI occured before bad boy Satan got his butt kicked out of heaven to cause them.

It is our job to make Trooo Believer JWs feeeel the pain.

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More evidence of fraud in 2nd Peter: Noah didn't preach, per Genesis 6

by adamah in

thanks for reading the 3-part series on the contradictory characterization of lot in genesis vs 2nd peter, analyzing genesis 19 and comparing it to 2nd peter 2. in the articles, i took a step-by-step approach to show how 2nd peter's declaring lot as "righteous" was exactly the opposite goal of the author of genesis, since the point of the story is how unrighteous lot was saved not due to his righteousness, but on behalf of his righteous uncle abraham (the star of the torah).. of course, the book of 2nd peter is widely acknowledged by nt scholars to be a fraudulent work, written under a pseudonymous (fake) name in order to 'patch up' some loose ends in the torah, likely to support then-blossoming doctines of christianity.

of particular interest to ex-jws is that one intent was to support the duty to warn others of the coming end of days, including the jw's beloved scripture, matt 28:19, that justifies their preaching work: "go thereforth and make disciples...." the only support for the claim that noah preached before the flood is found in 2nd peter, so it's a dubious claim.. in the latest article, i examine the flood account in genesis 6, showing how god had already condemned mankind even before he offered the covenant agreement to noah, so there's absolutely no reason for noah to be a "preacher of righteousness", as 2nd peter claims, since god's judgment had already been passed, and death sentence had been handed down.. .

http://awgue.weebly.com/genesis-vs-2nd-peter-noah-didnt-preach-bupkis.html.

Black Sheep

Sorry.... didn't read it. Too much for my attention span.

Had a go at old time JWs on this one a few weeks ago. Got the stunned mullet look. 120 years of preaching with Jehovah's blessing and not one convert????? There are heaps of nutters with crazy doctrines that have followers. Charlie Manson had more converts than Noah with his 'helter skelter' and he was a right nutcase and it didn't take him 120 years. They agreed.

Pointed out that Peter's statement only supported the notion that Noah was selected because he was a preacher of righteousness, not that he was given a commission to 'save' anyone by preaching a warning. They had nothing to offer in defence except excuses for a quick exit.

The point I was trying to make was that the god their church believes in murders innocent babies and that that wasn't my idea of any god I found 'loveable', or particularly 'godlike'.